Comments for entropy&medicine http://drshukla44.wordpress.com Entropic explaination to diagnose diseases, a new view Fri, 08 Jun 2007 00:08:36 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on ENTROPY DIAGNOSIS PROCESS RELATED TO ENTROPY. by dr.vishnu shukla http://drshukla44.wordpress.com/2007/05/29/entropy-diagnosis-process-related-to-entropy/#comment-13 dr.vishnu shukla Fri, 08 Jun 2007 00:08:36 +0000 http://drshukla44.wordpress.com/2007/05/29/entropy-diagnosis-process-related-to-entropy/#comment-13 COMMENTS Martin BOINC essage 70058 - Posted 5 Jun 2007 22:33:48 UTC Last modified: 5 Jun 2007 22:35:04 UTC Phew! Highly philosophical with a bit of Platonic hangups in there. Is not the most difficult part just disentangling our abstract ideas and experiences of our individual perception (or understanding) of our personal reality from whatever the actual (absolute) reality really is? We only know of our own personal view of reality that is our reality. Expanding upon that can only ever swim deeper into abstract ideas. Unless that is, you are happy to lay down some (undeniable) solid assumptions upon which to them build your world view. Is that the discussion? Or is this yet another dream that the universe somehow is alive with a conscious mind of its own? And one beauty of superpositions is that you can make them anything you want by just changing the way you look at them! Regards, Martin (Keeping out of any philosophical jargon as far as possible :-) ) ____________ Powered by Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS! See the Boinc HELP Wiki ID: 70058 | COMMENTS Martin BOINC

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Phew!

Highly philosophical with a bit of Platonic hangups in there.

Is not the most difficult part just disentangling our abstract ideas and experiences of our individual perception (or understanding) of our personal reality from whatever the actual (absolute) reality really is?

We only know of our own personal view of reality that is our reality. Expanding upon that can only ever swim deeper into abstract ideas.

Unless that is, you are happy to lay down some (undeniable) solid assumptions upon which to them build your world view.

Is that the discussion?

Or is this yet another dream that the universe somehow is alive with a conscious mind of its own?

And one beauty of superpositions is that you can make them anything you want by just changing the way you look at them!

Regards,
Martin

(Keeping out of any philosophical jargon as far as possible :-) )

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]]> Comment on ENTROPY DIAGNOSIS PROCESS RELATED TO ENTROPY. by dr.vishnu shukla http://drshukla44.wordpress.com/2007/05/29/entropy-diagnosis-process-related-to-entropy/#comment-12 dr.vishnu shukla Fri, 08 Jun 2007 00:04:40 +0000 http://drshukla44.wordpress.com/2007/05/29/entropy-diagnosis-process-related-to-entropy/#comment-12 Reply from einstein @ home,Clipper from USA/part of BOINC( Berkley Open Infrastructure network computing) ID: 69586 | [Reply to this post] Chipper Q Joined: Feb 20, 2005 Posts: 1331 ID: 22189 Credit: 279,844 RAC: 266 Message 69722 - Posted 31 May 2007 18:25:14 UTC Hi Dr. Vishnu, good to hear from you again! I'm afraid I was unable to stay within the scope of your article, for reasons that are hopefully evident. These are some questions and ideas I had from reading it, though. Is it possible that knowledge and/or information can be encoded and operated upon quantum mechanically? If so, would there then be any physical limitations regarding storing a finite amount of information in a state of superposition, or reaching accurate conclusions irrespective to any otherwise proportional amount of time upon resolution (or upon 'decoherence') of the superposition? Is the human brain a just thing for memory and thinking, or might it also be an evolved interface between the energy of conscious thought and the more physical aspects of reality? I would like to think that my memories and experiences are unique to me and surely to some extent they are, but without ever knowing of a man called Eratosthenes, I went down one of the paths he took, and invariably arrived at the same reality (referred to as the 'Sieve of Eratosthenes')... Point being, different mind, different time, different place, different circumstances, same underlying reality. So there are abstract aspects of reality that are forever unchanging, and yet, if life evolves then so does reality. A mind to observe reality is not a prerequisite for the existence of reality. A mind evolves because the possibility to do so is resolved along with everything else that reality is. Why are human minds generally more capable than minds of any of the other animals? ('Capability' is defined here as the act of predicting the future of reality and subsequently interacting with reality to produce some desired effects, which have been determined by the mind to result in a more beneficial, easier-to-survive, easier-to-manage reality.) The human mind is generally most capable because nature is hierarchical in fundamental composition, and knowledge is inherently discriminatory when it comes to categorization of diversity. As the mind evolves, so does reality, for the mind is a part of reality, and yet the reality, both realized and yet-to-be-realized, always fits within the mind (unlike the case for conventional computer hardware and “materialized” information [programs and data]). So utopia, I would venture to say, is reality understanding itself... :) Surely human physiology is replete with an underlying reality, and conclusions reached about it, if they are the correct conclusions, should be equivalent regardless of the approach. So objectivity in full measure is retained when conclusions are evaluated, and anthropomorphic tendencies identified, but the conclusions should not be discounted when they are correct just because of an anthropomorphic taint. It doesn't take much scientific rigor to conclude that humans are special, and have a unique role in reality, among all the other creatures... I think that before the solar system was, reality is. Any manifestation of something abstract from reality, into a physical existence, will require a commensurate amount of time to run its course, and in so doing, it appears like something evolving (e.g., a computer program crunching the data). I guess this would mean that the evolution of life is just reality's program (decoherence of the original, initial superposition of states?), running its course... I think that replacing anthropomorphism with some 'objective' theriomorphism would demean what's special about the most capable, but I cannot say which is the shortest path to understanding reality and reaching the correct conclusions about that which is eternal and that which is passing (or evolving)... ID: 69722 | Reply from einstein @ home,Clipper from USA/part of BOINC( Berkley Open Infrastructure network computing)
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Hi Dr. Vishnu, good to hear from you again!
I’m afraid I was unable to stay within the scope of your article, for reasons that are hopefully evident. These are some questions and ideas I had from reading it, though.
Is it possible that knowledge and/or information can be encoded and operated upon quantum mechanically? If so, would there then be any physical limitations regarding storing a finite amount of information in a state of superposition, or reaching accurate conclusions irrespective to any otherwise proportional amount of time upon resolution (or upon ‘decoherence’) of the superposition?
Is the human brain a just thing for memory and thinking, or might it also be an evolved interface between the energy of conscious thought and the more physical aspects of reality? I would like to think that my memories and experiences are unique to me and surely to some extent they are, but without ever knowing of a man called Eratosthenes, I went down one of the paths he took, and invariably arrived at the same reality (referred to as the ‘Sieve of Eratosthenes’)… Point being, different mind, different time, different place, different circumstances, same underlying reality. So there are abstract aspects of reality that are forever unchanging, and yet, if life evolves then so does reality.
A mind to observe reality is not a prerequisite for the existence of reality. A mind evolves because the possibility to do so is resolved along with everything else that reality is. Why are human minds generally more capable than minds of any of the other animals? (‘Capability’ is defined here as the act of predicting the future of reality and subsequently interacting with reality to produce some desired effects, which have been determined by the mind to result in a more beneficial, easier-to-survive, easier-to-manage reality.) The human mind is generally most capable because nature is hierarchical in fundamental composition, and knowledge is inherently discriminatory when it comes to categorization of diversity. As the mind evolves, so does reality, for the mind is a part of reality, and yet the reality, both realized and yet-to-be-realized, always fits within the mind (unlike the case for conventional computer hardware and “materialized” information [programs and data]). So utopia, I would venture to say, is reality understanding itself… :)
Surely human physiology is replete with an underlying reality, and conclusions reached about it, if they are the correct conclusions, should be equivalent regardless of the approach. So objectivity in full measure is retained when conclusions are evaluated, and anthropomorphic tendencies identified, but the conclusions should not be discounted when they are correct just because of an anthropomorphic taint. It doesn’t take much scientific rigor to conclude that humans are special, and have a unique role in reality, among all the other creatures…
I think that before the solar system was, reality is. Any manifestation of something abstract from reality, into a physical existence, will require a commensurate amount of time to run its course, and in so doing, it appears like something evolving (e.g., a computer program crunching the data). I guess this would mean that the evolution of life is just reality’s program (decoherence of the original, initial superposition of states?), running its course…
I think that replacing anthropomorphism with some ‘objective’ theriomorphism would demean what’s special about the most capable, but I cannot say which is the shortest path to understanding reality and reaching the correct conclusions about that which is eternal and that which is passing (or evolving)…
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]]> Comment on ENTROPY DIAGNOSIS PROCESS RELATED TO ENTROPY. by doctorloco http://drshukla44.wordpress.com/2007/05/29/entropy-diagnosis-process-related-to-entropy/#comment-11 doctorloco Wed, 30 May 2007 09:32:19 +0000 http://drshukla44.wordpress.com/2007/05/29/entropy-diagnosis-process-related-to-entropy/#comment-11 Sure my friend needs editing. Particularly References! all are 1. !!!! Hopefully, making time I would be able to write another article: "Demonstration that Pigs Do Not Fly" Sure my friend needs editing. Particularly References! all are 1. !!!!
Hopefully, making time I would be able to write another article: “Demonstration that Pigs Do Not Fly”

]]> Comment on ENTROPY DIAGNOSIS PROCESS RELATED TO ENTROPY. by dr.vishnu shukla http://drshukla44.wordpress.com/2007/05/29/entropy-diagnosis-process-related-to-entropy/#comment-10 dr.vishnu shukla Tue, 29 May 2007 02:10:51 +0000 http://drshukla44.wordpress.com/2007/05/29/entropy-diagnosis-process-related-to-entropy/#comment-10 It needs some language editing,which will follow It needs some language editing,which will follow

]]> Comment on ENTROPY IN BIOLOGICAL SYSTEM by doctorloco http://drshukla44.wordpress.com/2006/12/23/entropy-in-biological-system/#comment-8 doctorloco Wed, 07 Mar 2007 06:50:20 +0000 http://drshukla44.wordpress.com/2006/12/23/entropy-in-biological-system/#comment-8 Hi Vishnu, I have sent you the latest manuscript "Diagnosis Process related to entropy". Please can you review and publish here. Other issues: Notice that your site somewhat has been contaminated by cheap creationism and anti-evolution pesudoscientific publications. It is a shame. I am tired of critizied these type of ...whatever it can be called. Just enough here to say that antropomorphisms, evidentialisms and creationisms are by-products of internalism akin to justify the physical reality in grounds of solely macroscopic level. These people do not nothing about Quantum Theory, Uncertainty Principle, Chaos Theory and Second Law of Thermodynamics. Therefore their "analysis" is very shortsigthed. They take the concept of Information in a journalistic sense, thus they take Information as a priori quality of the universe. However, there is no primary Information. Both Entropy and Information are sides of the same coin, both are dynamical processes, and both are ongoing properties of this system called universe. Informaton and Entropy bound all systems and determine their structure and functionality, and also determine their "energy" and "time" dynamics. Entropy determines the route of "energy" based on gradients. I see the space-time as a wrinkled blanked that is progressively stretching, the accidents (matter/energy) are being smoothed, and gradients dissapearing. That is why gradients compete among themselves, each other try to steal the "energy" of the other. How? The big fish engulfes the small fish! Means that systems measure the entropy of the others, when one finds that the entropy of the other is smaller than oneself, then is suitable to be assimilated. Evolution if based on this simple principle my dear Vishnu. Well I better stop here because my own entropy is decreasing, I could be eaten! Recommend www.talkreason.org has many articles refuting all creationism arguments and unveiling their real obscure intentions. Hi Vishnu,
I have sent you the latest manuscript “Diagnosis Process related to entropy”. Please can you review and publish here.

Other issues:
Notice that your site somewhat has been contaminated by cheap creationism and anti-evolution pesudoscientific publications. It is a shame. I am tired of critizied these type of …whatever it can be called. Just enough here to say that antropomorphisms, evidentialisms and creationisms are by-products of internalism akin to justify the physical reality in grounds of solely macroscopic level. These people do not nothing about Quantum Theory, Uncertainty Principle, Chaos Theory and Second Law of Thermodynamics. Therefore their “analysis” is very shortsigthed. They take the concept of Information in a journalistic sense, thus they take Information as a priori quality of the universe. However, there is no primary Information. Both Entropy and Information are sides of the same coin, both are dynamical processes, and both are ongoing properties of this system called universe. Informaton and Entropy bound all systems and determine their structure and functionality, and also determine their “energy” and “time” dynamics. Entropy determines the route of “energy” based on gradients. I see the space-time as a wrinkled blanked that is progressively stretching, the accidents (matter/energy) are being smoothed, and gradients dissapearing. That is why gradients compete among themselves, each other try to steal the “energy” of the other. How? The big fish engulfes the small fish! Means that systems measure the entropy of the others, when one finds that the entropy of the other is smaller than oneself, then is suitable to be assimilated. Evolution if based on this simple principle my dear Vishnu. Well I better stop here because my own entropy is decreasing, I could be eaten!
Recommend http://www.talkreason.org has many articles refuting all creationism arguments and unveiling their real obscure intentions.

]]> Comment on ENTROPY IN BIOLOGICAL SYSTEM by Dr Anjela Geetha S http://drshukla44.wordpress.com/2006/12/23/entropy-in-biological-system/#comment-7 Dr Anjela Geetha S Mon, 01 Jan 2007 17:04:59 +0000 http://drshukla44.wordpress.com/2006/12/23/entropy-in-biological-system/#comment-7 The evidentialism is the talk of the town and we can't get away from it, but in higher philosophy when the eveidentialism does not work then theoretical physics becomes philosophy. As at the present, there was no evidence about E=mc 2, or the relativity,but it happened there is no evidence about stings and curled up dimensions. So we are only scratching the surface of the ice berg. We have to dig deeper. But people will not understand, that a negative finding and negetive criticism is also a data added and nothing in information dadt base is a waste.In years and centuries to come people will understand this when we are all dead and gone in the cosmos. The evidentialism is the talk of the town and we can’t get away from it, but in higher philosophy when the eveidentialism does not work then theoretical physics becomes philosophy. As at the present, there was no evidence about E=mc 2, or the relativity,but it happened there is no evidence about stings and curled up dimensions. So we are only scratching the surface of the ice berg. We have to dig deeper.
But people will not understand, that a negative finding and negetive criticism is also a data added and nothing in information dadt base is a waste.In years and centuries to come people will understand this when we are all dead and gone in the cosmos.

]]> Comment on ENTROPY IN BIOLOGICAL SYSTEM by Dr Anjela Geetha S http://drshukla44.wordpress.com/2006/12/23/entropy-in-biological-system/#comment-6 Dr Anjela Geetha S Mon, 01 Jan 2007 16:58:55 +0000 http://drshukla44.wordpress.com/2006/12/23/entropy-in-biological-system/#comment-6 The evidentialism is the talk of the town and we cant get away from it, but in higher philosophy when the eveidentialism does not work then theoretical physics becomes philosophy, As at the present there was no evidence about e=mc 2, or the relativity,but it happened, there is no evidence about stings and curled up dimensions. So we are on scratching the surface of the ice berg. We have to did deeper. The evidentialism is the talk of the town and we cant get away from it, but in higher philosophy when the eveidentialism does not work then theoretical physics becomes philosophy, As at the present there was no evidence about e=mc 2, or the relativity,but it happened, there is no evidence about stings and curled up dimensions. So we are on scratching the surface of the ice berg. We have to did deeper.

]]> Comment on ENTROPY IN BIOLOGICAL SYSTEM by Eduardo Zevallos http://drshukla44.wordpress.com/2006/12/23/entropy-in-biological-system/#comment-5 Eduardo Zevallos Fri, 29 Dec 2006 01:41:49 +0000 http://drshukla44.wordpress.com/2006/12/23/entropy-in-biological-system/#comment-5 Hi my dear Vishnu, Well we are preparing Entropy an Diagnosis. In this new article we give a totally non-antropomorphic concept of knowledge with cybernetic approach. We also criticize the so-called Evidentialism. Well wait for it. Next year, after my vacation we will finish it. Hi my dear Vishnu,
Well we are preparing Entropy an Diagnosis. In this new article we give a totally non-antropomorphic concept of knowledge with cybernetic approach. We also criticize the so-called Evidentialism. Well wait for it. Next year, after my vacation we will finish it.

]]> Comment on Hello world! by dr.vishnu shukla http://drshukla44.wordpress.com/2006/12/23/hello-world/#comment-4 dr.vishnu shukla Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:32:50 +0000 #comment-4 thanks, well observed thanks, well observed

]]> Comment on Hello world! by dranjela http://drshukla44.wordpress.com/2006/12/23/hello-world/#comment-3 dranjela Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:56:52 +0000 #comment-3 The arguments and comments were published in the Einstein at home a part of BOINC and SETI program mamaged by MIT and CIT. Interesting comments were placed in it. The arguments and comments were published in the Einstein at home a part of BOINC and SETI program mamaged by MIT and CIT. Interesting comments were placed in it.

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